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Prostate Cancer Dilemma: To Treat or Not To Treat?

by Dr. Len February 27, 2006

A couple of years ago I participated in a small group discussion as part of a larger conference on the problems of getting more people to take cancer screening seriously.

 

During the course of that discussion the topic turned to prostate cancer early detection, a topic that I have covered previously.

 

I distinctly remember the comment of one of the members of the group, who happened to be the director of a large national employer based group interested in health care issues.  This representative, who happened to be very knowledgeable and very influential, was also very direct.

 

Her comment was to the effect that when it came to prostate cancer screening there were so many different recommendations and so much “noise” that it was confusing to her constituents, not to mention their employees as to what the right thing was to do with respect to prostate cancer screening.

 

Get your messages straight, she said, and then we (the employer community) will know what to do.  In the meantime, don’t blame us if we don’t seem too enthralled with encouraging prostate cancer screening.

 

You may or may not agree with such a blunt assessment, but it is an honest one.

 

Over the past several years, there has been a sea-change developing in medicine demanding that we develop evidence based information to guide the care decisions that we make for our patients.  We want to be able to provide clear, evidence-based information to our patients about what the best treatment is for their particular condition.

 

That’s not to say there isn’t a lot of art in the practice of medicine.  There is still much we don’t know, and there are many treatments offered to patients that have't been confirmed in well done, rigorously designed clinical trials.

 

Which brings me to my topic today regarding the treatment of prostate cancer.

 

The sad fact is that the same confusion that exists for the screening of prostate cancer applies to the treatment of prostate cancer as well.  We don't have the evidence we need to provide the clarity of message that our patients expect and want in their time of need.

 

There are many different ways to approach the treatment of a man who has been diagnosed with prostate cancer.  A number of variables are factored into the equation, including the man’s age, his overall health and life expectancy, and the grade, size and extent of his cancer, for example.

 

Then there comes the question of what type of treatment should be used.  Should it be radical surgery? With or without robotic assistance?  How about external beam radiation therapy?  Or should you have radioactive seeds implanted into the prostate?  How about a combination of both radiation types?  And what about IMRT (intensity modulated radiation therapy), which concentrates the radiation beam, allows higher doses to be administered with fewer side effects?  Or should you travel to a center that uses proton therapy which is even more focused and intense radiation?  And don’t forget the newest wrinkle, which is using CT scans on a regular basis to reposition the radiation beam.

 

And after you, the patient and your family, digest all of that information, there is the real decision: should you receive treatment at all?  If you are older, infirm, or have a small, low grade prostate cancer there is a reasonable probability that your prostate cancer may never bother you again.  So no treatment or “watchful waiting” may be right for you.

 

If you decide to receive surgery or radiation, the reality is that the treatment may in fact be worse than the disease in your particular case.

 

This can all be very, very confusing to someone who has just been diagnosed with prostate cancer. 

 

There are these days no shortages of professional, knowledgeable medical opinions available.  Unfortunately, from my experience, you usually get one recommendation from a surgeon, another from a radiation oncologist, and your family doctor probably doesn’t have the knowledge basis on which to make an absolute firm decision.

 

There are also databases available which may help you decide what to do.  Fortunately, some doctors are collecting the results of thousands of cases and keeping track of treatments and results.  That may give some idea of what the best treatment may be for you. 

 

The problem is that treatment at times can be a moving target.  For example, take robotic surgery.  There is a long history of surgery in the treatment of prostate cancer, so the doctors have a pretty good idea of what the outcomes are going to be percentage wise.  But along comes robotic surgery, and now more doctors are doing radical prostate cancer surgery.  We won’t know for many years whether or not this new technique is going to significantly impact the results in prostate cancer surgery—for better or worse.

 

And the radiation techniques keep changing, so we don’t have a decades long experience with any radiation treatment approach to know, again, what the long term results are going to be.

 

This past weekend, at a prostate conference sponsored by the American Society of Clinical Oncology in San Francisco, a new bit of information was added.

 

A researcher from Philadelphia examined data from a nationwide, government sponsored cancer registry called SEER which they merged with Medicare data to determine the answer to a simple question: does treatment make a difference?  Do men who receive radiation or surgery live longer having undergone some form of therapy?

 

Sounds somewhat elementary and simple, but recall my earlier comment that “watchful waiting” was appropriate for some men depending on their disease status and other considerations.

 

In this study, which examined the medical records  of nearly 50,000 men, they found that treatment (either with radiation or surgery) did in fact make a difference and that the men who were treated—even older men over 75 years of age—did better if they received some treatment.  The researchers said in their abstract that they considered whether or not there were any differences in the medical conditions of the men that might account for the difference they observed, and could find none.

 

The study wasn’t designed to find out whether one form of treatment was better than another.  But the data was sufficient for them to conclude, “In the absence of randomized studies comparing radical prostatectomy and radiation therapy, eligible men should be considered for (treatment).”

 

I don’t know that this study is going to change anything that doctors do or that I would recommend to a patient.  But it is going to increase the debate, especially about men ages 75-80 at the time of diagnosis.

 

There have been other studies reported recently that came to different or opposing conclusions.

 

One study in the Journal of the American Medical Association reported in 2004 concluded that their findings supported treatment of men with early stage prostate cancer early in the disease, especially if the man had a life expectancy over 15 years.

 

Another study, reported in the same journal in 2005, said that is not the case because they could in fact not find evidence that men with low grade prostate cancers showed a benefit from early treatment.   These men did not have an increased rate of death from prostate cancer if they lived more than 15 years.

 

So who is correct in this debate?

 

The reality is there is no right and wrong here.

 

Clearly we need to keep studying the issue and develop better information. And we need to see the abstract presentation come out in a peer reviewed medical journal so we have more information to look at and help us understand better how well the study was done and whether it should have a significant impact on how we treat our patients.

 

In the meantime, being informed is your best friend.  Learn what you can from your doctors, and get information from reputable web sources hosted by organizations such as the American Cancer Society, the National Cancer Institute, and the National Comprehensive Cancer Network,  where you can find both professional and patient-friendly information discussing your treatment options. 

 

Don’t ignore the fact that your personal physician—the person that knows you best—may be able to walk you through some of the decisions.  They may be able to help you sort out your options and what is best for you.

 

Ultimately, I hope that we eventually get to the point when we can find our way through the noise and the clutter.  We have done a lot of excellent work in prostate cancer over the past couple of decades.  We can find the disease earlier, and we have more men surviving prostate cancer than ever before.

 

But our journey is not going to be over until we are able to tell which men really need treatment, and which treatment is best for them. 

 

We still have a long way to go.

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Comments

3/29/2006 12:32:45 AM #

Jamie Gallagher

My dear friend had this proton treatment at Loma Linda about a year and a half ago. He now has stage 5 progressive radiation induced cystitis. He is in constant severe pain and his urine is always blood. His doctor at Loma Linda basically told him last week "Sorry this is very rare and there is nothing I can do. You are going to basically lay in bed bleed and bleed to death . He has been down to Lowell Parson who has given him bladder installations which helped the pain. He has to take them 5 to 6 time a day. Every month or so we end up running him up to the emergency room because the pain is so bad that his bladder goes into spasms. When he goes to the emergency room he get's a shot that knocks him out for the night. He has tries the hypobaric chamber with no progress. Every hospital I call to try to get him help pretty much tells me he has to wait 4 months to be seen. When I explain what kind of pain he's in and the constant bleeding they usually try to get him in within a couple of weeks. Before the proton treatment, you couldn't get this guy to sit down for more then 5 mins. He was always very active and I mean active. He could run circles around anyone I know. Now he can't get out much and I don't know what's killing him more, the pain and bleeding or having to be inside all the time. If you're going to get this proton thing done definatley think twice about it because it can go wrong and when it does good luck finding anyone (and I mean anyone) who knows how to treat it or wants anything to do with it. Yes is PSA is now very low

Jamie Gallagher

6/7/2006 10:36:46 AM #

S.A. Stanley

How does one know if one is eligible for proton beam therapy for prostate cancer.  The cancer has metaticized to the left lower abdominal lymph node.  As a participant in a two arm study, he was given both zolodex and casadex after a complete removal of the prostate gland.  The cancer had gone outside the gland but the surgeon felt he had gotten it all. The PSA began to rise again after a year and casadex was removed.  Now the psa is rising again and they have returned him to a combination of casadex and zolodex.  Is there any role for proton beam therapy?

S.A. Stanley

11/20/2006 11:32:10 AM #

willard zitin

prostate cancer has spread to the bones.. i am on casodex and lupron, and am curious to know how successfulm this treatment has been for others in the same circumstances???

willard zitin

1/30/2007 2:33:58 PM #

Joan

My father has prostate cancer and it has spread to the bone.  He is 91.  His Oncologist has started him on Casadex.  At his age, can this treatment help?

Joan

2/27/2007 11:58:48 PM #

B. D. Bates

I have had my prostate surgically removed, but after a short time my PSA staeted to rise so I was put on Lupron. After a few months my PSA started to rise again so I was put on a combination of Lupron and Casodex. I am 79 years old. What would the prognosis be in my case. I am in very good health otherwise. Thank you.

B. D. Bates

3/14/2007 11:48:07 PM #

tom

Has anyone known of anyone who has had major problems related to Proton Therapy for prostate cancer??I've read about someone who hadprogressive radiation induced cystitis and this concerns me-Thanks

tom

4/5/2007 5:04:17 PM #

Joan

My husband has metastic prostate cancer which has spread to his bones with PSA of 933.  He got 2 Lupron shots, which lowered the PSA to 2.5, but he  refused to take any more shots.  What should we expect as far as progression of the disease?  I am expecting that it will increase matastises and pain.  We need to know what to expect.  Thanks.

Joan

4/29/2007 10:06:25 PM #

Kathy Hughes

My father is 84 and was recently diagnosed with metastic prostate cancer that has spread to his bones.  He said he feels GREAT and now is riddled with fear about decisions he is going to have to make regarding whether to go with treatment or not.  We are afraid of the ramifications to his health if he does go with treatment - Quality of Life is very, very important to him.  He plays tennis, rides his bike and is very active socially and physically.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank You in Advance!

Kathy Hughes

4/29/2007 10:06:35 PM #

Kathy Hughes

My father is 84 and was recently diagnosed with metastic prostate cancer that has spread to his bones.  He said he feels GREAT and now is riddled with fear about decisions he is going to have to make regarding whether to go with treatment or not.  We are afraid of the ramifications to his health if he does go with treatment - Quality of Life is very, very important to him.  He plays tennis, rides his bike and is very active socially and physically.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank You in Advance!

Kathy Hughes

5/22/2007 6:31:48 PM #

Martha

O,My,GOSH, I see these PSA results and am shocked.  My husband has only had 22. He had prostate removed but nodes and seminal vesicles were positive and PSA continues to rise.  Radiation and hormone therapy and PSA continues to rise - now up to 12.  Now doing 2nd round of radiation to tumor on spine.  What gives with PSA only being 12?? Seven years since surgery.

Martha

6/1/2007 5:33:27 PM #

DENISE

MY DAD ALSO, 84 HAS PROSTATE CANCER WHICH HAS SPREAD TO THE BONES.  HE TOOK THE EVERY 6 MONTH SHOT, THEN THE 3 MONTH LUPRON SHOT.  SIDE EFFECTS WEREN'T GOOD.  NOW HE IS ONLY TAKING PROCRIT AND ZOMETA FOR HIS BONES.  HE IS ON OXYCONTIN FOR PAIN, WHICH HE SAYS ISN'T AS BAD AS IT COULD BE.  HIS MAIN PROBLEM IS THAT HE HAS OSTEOARTHRITIS AND HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO WALK MUCH AT ALL.  THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT 8 MONTHS.  I THINK IT IS STARTING TO GO ON A DOWN HILL SLIDE, BUT THE PROCRIT HELPED, SO HE DIDN'T HAVE TO GET TRANSFUSIONS FOR ANEMIA.  NO TREATMENT HAS WORKED, SO WE ARE JUST TAKING IT DAY BY DAY.  YESTERDAY WE CALLED IN HOSPICE TO HELP.

DENISE

7/31/2007 12:54:17 AM #

Lori

Hi,  I was hoping to get in touch with Denise who posted about her dad having the prostate cancer which spread to his bones.....stating that he has osteoarthritis and hasn't been able to walk much.  I'm curious about your situation because my dad (76) has been in a very similar situation as far as diagnosis and treatment.  Interestingly...my dad hasn't been able to walk much either.  He's have VERY severe pain in his legs and ankles, but the doctors really can't explain why the pain is there.  They have tested his bones and didn't believe they were bad enough....they've checked his circulation...that's not the problem either.  They just have not been able to explain this sudden (really it was rather fast) onset of severe ankle and leg pain...to the degree of really hindering his ability to walk.  I'm wondering could it be a side affect of the meds or treatment (the injections).  I would just really like to communicate with you if you are willing.  You can email me at lmhoward@alltel.net   ...thanks

Lori

1/11/2008 11:10:38 PM #

Keith

369751

There are over 3000 men that have had proton therapy listed at www.protonbob.com.  It is a resource for information on men who have experienced proton therapy.

Keith

5/4/2008 11:51:46 AM #

hilda bernal

My husband has stage 4 prostate cancer.  It passed on to the lymph nodes and has metastized to the pelvic and spine.He was on Taxotere for 1 year which held it back, but since January 2008 the PSA has started going up from 25 to now 198.  He has three new lymph nodes infected.  One on the side of the neck around the clavical, which started getting his neck swollen with liquid. The other one besides the tyroid gland and the other in the thoriac center of his chest.  Every day he is more anemic.  I am injecting his with procrit and giving him iron pills.  He count is now at 8.0.  He facil color looks very pail and gray and his energy level is very bad.  He is talking 3 days a week ecyne oral chimo and and new chimo that the doctor started once a week on wednesday.  Please explain to me or give me an idea what I am encountering here, so I can help myself withstand this pressure within me.  I am the only one working and trying my best,  but I see his conditions worse.  What can happen when it is this spread in his body.  What shall I expect as time goes by, and about how much time do you think, if your able to answer his life expectancy.  It has not gotten any major organs but the metasisis is spreading..

Please help me!!!DESPERATE AND SURFERRING

hilda bernal

5/21/2008 4:32:37 PM #

leslie doner

my huband was 54 when he was diagnosed with stage 4 advnaced prostate cancer. his psa was 312 and he had 14 cancer biopsies. he completed 39 radiation treatments along with casodex daily and lupron shot every 4 months. His prostate dr. said he can go off the casodex and lupron this month...6 moths earlier then he was suppose to. Is there a protocol for this ...his psa's have been non detectable since radiation...does anybody know how fast the cancer will come back once his body starts producing it's on testosterone...irony is, prior to his cancer his nick name was Mr T..( testertrone)

leslie doner

6/15/2008 12:26:03 PM #

Laura

My husband, 57, had his prostate removed 6 yrs. agp.  psa has been slowly rising for 1 1/2 yrs.  It is .3, he recently had pelvic and bone scans, chest x-rays, blood work and an mri, all showing "NO" concerns.  We have been advised to continue checking psa levels every 3 months, and at some future time radiation would be most likely recommended.  Any comments on the recommendations?  Is there anything else we could be doing that would strengthen the body's immunity and general health?  Diet, supplements??  Laura

Laura

8/23/2008 8:06:20 PM #

Foster

I need ANY and ALL the information on Proton Therapy results from patients who have actually received this treatment for prostate cancer.  I am getting some conflicting reviews on this subject and I would appreciate comments from patients.

Foster

2/12/2009 9:06:14 AM #

Stella Johnson

365847

My husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2003 with a PSA as high as 62 and a Gleason Score of 7. He had no surgery, no radiaton, just lupron bring the PSA down below 1. When that failed several years later, wit his PSA going up to 14 and doubling rapidly, Casadex was added and it went down to 1.6-1.9. Now, it is slowly rising again although still under 4. Are there other medicines to kick in when all else fails? He is 71.

Thank you.

Stella Johnson

2/24/2009 9:33:07 AM #

Len Lichtenfeld

Stella, I can't provide specific medical advice.  But I do suggest you call our National Cancer Information Center at 800-ACS-2345 and speak to one of our cancer information specialists who may be able to provide you with more information.

Your husband has been treated with hormone therapy for his prostate cancer, and there may be other options in that regard.  Failing that, and depending on his clinical condition, he may be a candidate for chemotherapy or participation in a clinical trial.  Our call center can also give you information on what clinical trials of new drugs may be available in your area.

It is also important that you have a detailed discussion with your husband's doctor about his current medical situation, and what options the doctor has planned for your husband.  Depending on that discussion, you may want to consider a second opinion at a cancer center that has specialists in the medical treatment of prostate cancer.

I hope that helps, but also please call the information center for additional help.

Len Lichtenfeld

3/11/2009 8:08:38 PM #

Ted Schultze

I am recently diagnoced with early stage (Gleason 3 + 3) prostate cancer.  My reseach has turned up the protron process at Loma Linda. I am unable to find any negative comments but lots of patients who have had it and are gushing and positive about it. I have exchanged email with Proton Bob and talked with 5 on his list and all are VERY positive. Any input, particularly negative will be appreciated.

Ted Schultze

8/23/2009 3:29:43 PM #

jeannette

My 78 year old husband has been diagnosed with secondary metastic prostate cancer in his upper back.  He has undergone radiation treatment and is presently undergoing chemotherapy (Taxotere) every 3 weeks.  Is there a possibility that surgery might be an option after he receives the chemotherapy?

jeannette

8/24/2009 10:30:15 AM #

Len Lichtenfeld

Although I generally don't comment on specific treatments, I can say in this case that the only reason to consider prostate surgery or radiation to the prostate would be in the event that there is evidence of obstruction at a later date.  Once prostate cancer has spread to the bone, operating to remove the prostate would not be of benefit as a routine part of your husband's treatment plan.

You are welcome to contact our cancer information center at 800 ACS 2345 for more information.

Len Lichtenfeld

4/27/2010 2:04:30 AM #

Nidhi

Oh nice post!!! The aspects discussed of how xancer is spread rapidly, how it gets accelerated with the presence of different cells, have been good.

Nidhi

4/27/2011 3:00:53 PM #

Pat

What is the preferred dosage of casodex for post proton radiation? The radiation oncologist says to take one casodex 50mg for a total of six months. The urologist says to take three casodex 50mg the rest of your life. They both agree on taking lupron for a total 2 years. Can someone tell me whom to ask or where I might find the answer? Do I need to get a third opinion?

Pat

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