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DCA: Cancer Breakthrough Or Urban Legend?

by Dr. Len February 03, 2007

There is the medical equivalent of a tsunami wave building out there, only we don’t know where this one is going to land.

 

It is called DCA, and we are suddenly receiving requests for information about something few if any of us had heard about as a cancer treatment until this past week.

 

I suspect some of this rapid explosion is fueled in part by the internet and the rapid exchange of information, and some by advocates who believe in the long-held conspiracy theory that someone is holding back the single simple answer to curing all cancer.

 

We even received an urgent plea from one media outlet on Thursday asking us to help them out with understanding DCA, since their website was being inundated with internet traffic that was overwhelming their servers.

 

Before we replace rational discourse with irrational exuberance, it is my personal opinion that a bit of caution is in order.  The basic reason for my conservative view is “been there, done that.”

 

I don’t know the details of how this phenomenon got started, but I can take a stab at an answer.

 

Do a general internet search on dichloroacetate (the actual name of this material) and cancer doesn’t rise to the top of the list before very recently.

 

That said, an article appeared in the January 2007 issue of Cancer Cell, written by a researcher at the University of Alberta in Canada.

 

I do not know the researcher, but the institution is one that is a recognized, established University.

 

The basic gist of the research report is that cancer cells rely on certain energy pathways that are different from normal cells, similar to the situation that occurs in what we medically call lactic acidosis.

 

Lactic acidosis in very simple terms occurs in our bodies when we are very ill or may be suddenly severely traumatized.  Our cells basically become starved for energy, and switch into other energy pathways that rely less on oxygen, resulting in the production of lactic acid.

 

As a result, when there are large quantities of lactic acid circulating in our system, it can contribute to a significantly increased risk of death.

 

What the Alberta researcher hypothesized was that cancer cells also work through similar metabolic pathways.  If you could revert them to normal, then the cells would switch back to the typical energy pathway, and either die or convert to normal cells.

 

Where DCA or dichloroacetic acid fits into this theory is that it can apparently convert the bad metabolic pathways into good ones. 

 

As noted in the conclusions of the study, it can do so while selectively affecting cancer cells and not harming normal cells.

 

According to the authors of the report, DCA is non-toxic and is currently used in children who have a rare genetic condition where they produce too much lactic acid.

 

They go on to point out that DCA is used in these children to reverse the condition with minimal or no side effects.

 

Let me assure you that this is a gross oversimplification of a very complicated discussion.  I personally never was a standout in biochemistry, and that was over 35 years ago.  Trying to explain this study in plain words is not an easy task.

 

But the concepts are basic, and the theories of differential cancer cell metabolism have been around for a long time.  The paper itself cites something called the Warburg theory espoused in the 1930s as an example of support for this principle.

 

In fact, for years we have been studying the possibility that improving the microenvironment surrounding cancer cells by increasing oxygen levels of tumors through various means will lead to improved responses to treatments.  Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is one example of such previous efforts.

 

(In contrast, the targeted therapy Avastin is based on the principle that by preventing blood vessel growth in cancers, you will starve the tumors blood supply, oxygen levels will go down and the cancer will slow or stop its growth.)

 

To demonstrate the concept, the authors in the current report did a number of experiments that came to the conclusion that DCA was in fact effective in meeting the goals of their expectations. 

 

In these experiments in the laboratory, they found that DCA could in fact reverse the abnormal metabolism in several laboratory-based cancer cell lines.  DCA also reversed the “immortality” of these test tube cancer cells and induced a process of cell death called apoptosis.

 

Finally, they injected some of these laboratory-based cancer cell lines into rats who were genetically engineered to have no basic immune system, and found that if they put DCA into their drinking water, the tumor growth was significantly slower than in a comparison group of rats that did not receive DCA.

 

In one group of rats where DCA was given after the injected tumors had been allowed to grow, the tumors immediately (in the authors’ word) decreased in size.

 

So far, so good.

 

But here is where things begin to get a bit dicey.

 

These are quotes taken directly from the article.  The first is from a summary printed at the bottom of the first page of the report:

 

“The ease of delivery, selectivity, and effectiveness make DCA an attractive candidate for proapoptotic cancer therapy which can be rapidly translated into phase II–III clinical trials.”

 

In the discussion section of the paper, the authors conclude with the following statement:

 

Our work identifies the mitochondria-NFAT-Kv channel axis and PDK as critical components of the metabolicelectrical remodeling that characterizes many human

cancers and offers a tantalizing suggestion that DCA may have selective anticancer efficacy in patients. The very recent report of the first randomized long-term clinical trial of oral DCA in children with congenital lactic acidosis (at doses similar to those used in our in vivo experiments) showing that DCA was well tolerated and safe (Stacpoole et al., 2006) suggests a potentially easy translation of our work to clinical oncology.” (Emphasis mine)

 

In other words, the authors are saying that in their opinion these experiments in the lab and rats suggests that DCA may be a simple, effective treatment for cancer and we should move forward with clinical trials based solely on their theory and their results.

 

I am not being critical of the authors’ comments, except for describing this as a “potentially easy” process.  Nothing in translation from the bench to the bedside is easy.

 

This is not the first time such suggestive statements have been made.  In fact, these types of comments are not unusual in papers of this type.

 

What I am critical of is the lack of discrimination in judgment of other folks—not the researchers--who have picked up on these lines and rapidly circulated the thought that we have a cure for cancer at hand, and that we must stop doing everything else and get this simple, safe and effective treatment to cancer patients immediately.

 

Even my own blog was “hit” with such a suggestion this past week.

 

Well, as they say, if I had a nickel for every time I have heard such a proposition based on this type of evidence, I would be a rich man.

 

Please try to understand that I am NOT saying this is a theory that won’t work.  It may, and if it does prove valuable, that would be terrific.

 

It is just that I have been around a while and have seen this type of hope and hype just a few times too many.

 

I have seen cancer patients hopes lifted and dashed so often that I can’t help but be cautious and conservative in my thinking.

 

Let’s take a look at what we can say.

 

First, I did a literature search on PubMed looking for articles with the terms dichloroacetic acid and cancer.

 

Although I didn’t have access to all of the articles, one underlying theme stood out:  DCA is an organic chemical that causes liver cancer in laboratory mice when put in their drinking water.

 

It is NOT non-toxic.  It is a byproduct of another chemical called trichloroethylene (TCE), which has been a source of concern as a cancer causing agent for some time. (A simple Google search will give you over 8 million hits on this topic.)

 

Here is what the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry has to say about TCE:

 

“HIGHLIGHTS: Trichloroethylene is a colorless liquid which is used as a solvent for cleaning metal parts. Drinking or breathing high levels of trichloroethylene may cause nervous system effects, liver and lung damage, abnormal heartbeat, coma, and possibly death. Trichloroethylene has been found in at least 852 of the 1,430 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).”

 

So before you start going out and adding DCA to your drinking water to prevent cancer, a degree of caution would be very prudent at this point.

 

Another article that came up in the Google search was a 1983 article from the New England Journal of Medicine.

 

Here is a quote from that article:

 

“Despite improvement in their lactic acidemia, all patients but one died of their underlying disease. No serious drug-related toxicity occurred. We conclude that dichloroacetate is a safe and effective adjunct in the treatment of patients with lactic acidosis, although the ultimate prognosis may depend on the underlying disease.”

 

In other words, the treatment was a success, but the patient died.

 

But experience is the best teacher in my opinion.

 

For example, even in the short time this blog has been in “production” I have written articles on other relatively non-toxic substances and their potential role in either preventing or reducing the burden of cancer.

 

New discoveries about vitamin C and vitamin D come to mind.

 

We haven’t seen the hue and cry about getting these vitamins into cancer clinical trials, yet based on evidence similar to the DCA paper, there is equal reason to believe that either or both of these vitamins may have a role in cancer prevention and/or cancer treatment.

 

Still vivid in my mind was something that happened in the early 1970s when I was training to be an oncologist at the National Cancer Institute.

 

To the best of my recollection, a research report suggested that a particular material was very effective in treating acute leukemia.  Once again, mice that had a transplanted leukemia were given this drug, and the leukemia miraculously disappeared.

 

To demonstrate that this new drug was so non-toxic that the researcher went on to one of the major national morning television shows and injected himself with the drug right there on camera as he touted his new discovery.

 

The problem was that there were only very, very small amounts of the drug available.

 

Research centers around the world rapidly picked up the beat, and vied to get their hands on some of this new miracle powder.

 

Cancer research centers were receiving phone calls with incredible offers of financial support from wealthy patients with leukemia, if they could just get these folks this wonder drug.

 

The only thing we found out was that it didn’t work at all.

 

Of course, there are stories on the other side of the aisle so to speak, where simple discoveries in fact have proven to have great benefit in the treatment of some cancers, such as the treatment of promyelocytic leukemia.

 

But the overwhelming number of promising laboratory experiments have not ended up as effective cancer treatments when they move from the bench to the bedside, if they are even able to get to the bedside in the first place.

 

It is indeed a long, difficult road that must be traveled to demonstrate that an exciting new idea actually works in the treatment of cancer.

 

So, pardon me if I am a skeptic.  As Jessica Rabbit said, “I am just drawn that way.”

 

But I am also an optimist, as I have said many times in these pages.  I do believe that there are exciting new developments in cancer treatment emerging from laboratories around the world.   Maybe DCA is one of them.

 

Right now, we simply do not know what is going to occur as DCA moves through the research pipeline, first with laboratory confirmation and critical analysis of these findings and then on to the clinic if others review this report and agree that DCA is a promising approach that deserves a clinical trial in the treatment of cancer.

 

It’s just that I believe in patience, prudence and caution because my experience has taught me that those are the best guidelines to follow in assessing reports such as the one in Cancer Cell.

 

It is way too soon to know whether this is a cancer treatment breakthrough or an urban legend or something in between.

 

I am acutely aware that there are cancer patients out there who are fighting every day for their survival, and are hoping that there is one last chance to get a treatment that may prolong or save their lives.

 

For some of you out there to inappropriately make them feel that DCA is the answer to their prayers based on this single early stage report in a medical research journal is, in my opinion, not acceptable at best and despicable at worst. 

 

 

 

 

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Comments

2/5/2007 12:08:48 PM #

Hershel Patel

Dear Dr. Litchfield:

I do not believe that anyone involved in the scientific community has bad intent in trying to search for a more effective treatment to cancer.

This treatment may be a grand success or it may turn out to be a familiar disappointment, but I believe we as a society can both hope for major breakthroughs in research religiously , but still be grounded in reality.

Personally, I would despise only those that tried to sell DCA in some sort of snake-oil scheme.  However, I find it healthy for the public to discuss about science, even if we are not academic experts.  I believe this does promote better public health.

Sincerely,

Hershel Patel

Hershel Patel

2/5/2007 2:23:48 PM #

Andrew Heitman

Following this post back to a rather heated (and somewhat irrational) discussion of the decrease in mammogram complacency, it seems that there is problem in the public with information management. Or maybe its disinformation management. A narrow perspective was given on the availability of DCA and its efficacy in the breast cancer forums and I think you adequately addressed those concerns. Unfortunately, individuals who feel that DCA is a silver bullet will not be dissuaded, regardless of logical reason. The human body is an incredibly complex entity, and a layman attempting to  understanding it in its "normal" state is nothing compared to the extremely complex molecular pathology of a body battling cancer. With the amount of altruistic humans out there in research, in medicine, reason would have it that if DCA were the magical cure some tout it, it would be made available and studies would have been furthered. Conspiracy theorists love the drama more than the truth and unfortunately they can create convincing arguments from anecdote and speculation. This is more a problem of public health education, something massively lacking in this country. Not a big pharmy evil hate-the-world conspiracy

Andrew Heitman

2/5/2007 9:38:42 PM #

Charles King

Dear Dr. Lichfield:  I find your blog useful in following the medico-scientific discussion of cancer origins and treatment. Thank you for publishing it.

I am a fortunate cancer survivor, having been diagnosed with final stage multiple myeloma in 2003.  From the beginning I have pursued an integrative medical approach coupled with the most aggressive, scientificaly-advanced treatment offered by modern oncology, at a world-renowned center: surgery, radiation therapy, standard VAD, autologous stem cell transplant, and allegenic stem cell transplant. My goal is cure from an "invaribly fatal" cancer, not a short remission.  

Along the way, I have become more than passingly familiar with the extraordinary biological complexity of cancer, especially blood cancers, and most especially, of multiple myeloma. That complexity, and scientific medicine's inability to understand and definitively treat it is what originally led me to integrative medicine.

So I was more than a little gratified to see your mentiion of a possible role for vitamin D in cancer prevention and therapy in your discussion of DCA. That tells me integrative concepts are progressing.  

I would advocate that there is a large deficiency in current cancer therapy caused mainly by the skepticism and experiences of many practitioners in treating typical patients. Often patients are so  terrified by the diagnosis that they do not fully understand or explore the possibilities of treatment, even including those offered by integrative medicine. My own attitude has been to find and exploit every advantage, no matter how small. Unfortunately, many oncologists do not understand that approach, let alone advocate it to their patients.

Integrative medicine, not to mention DCA, may have far more to offer sufferers than has been previously recognized, especially by those wedded to the rationalism and skepticism inherent in the scientific method. That is why medicine will always remain an art to me.
My own personal experience is that so much more is unknown than is known that there is very little hope of  complete scientific understanding of cancer for many years to come.  That fact solidifies my view that the mind's role in prevention and cure will lag far behind the mechanistic steps that typify most oncological approaches. As a profession, medicine needs to relearn principles laid down by the Greeks more than 3,000 years ago to get the most out of our scientific progress.

Accordingly, it seems to me the researchers in Alberta deserve a chance to explore their mechanistic hypothesis on human subjects in properly vetted human trials as soon as possible. Their concern for funding is very real, but the potential is possibly immense. I know there are many willing subjects who advocate it is their right, if after having failed  standard treatments, to attempt to aid mankind through volunteering for clinical trials, even at the risk of shortening their diminishing time on this earth.
That was certainly my attitude when I fought successfully for my chance at a clinical trial back in 2003. And I also recognize that this is but a shot in the dark, and one of many, many once-promising avenues that turned out to be but a blind ally.  

Again thank you for your excellent efforts to advance medical knowledge and public understanding.

Charles King

2/6/2007 5:32:44 AM #

Janardan Yri

I think the inconsistency between the reliability of a hypothesis and its reporting in the media comes down to two problems: that the media's economic objectives - to garner viewer/readership and advertising/subscription revenue - ultimately are at odds with the principles of good science, and that few in the media really understand good science to begin with. Science rarely has single points at which previously unknown phenomena are suddenly demonstrated to be shockingly true. Relativity didn't overthrow Newton the day Einstein's papers were published, or that year or even decade. Yet few outside of scientific professions understand that process, and so when an explosive study comes out most pass judgments immediately and fail to understand why some are not so quick to excite. Having human health as the subject only exacerbates the issue by throwing emotions in the mix, as many are understandably disposed to want to believe regardless of the odds.

It's doubtful that the general ignorance towards health and science can be improved without many years of effort and education, but here's hoping this blog helps it along. Goodness knows it could use the help.

Janardan Yri

2/6/2007 2:49:01 PM #

john c.

Melanoma and other cancers are killing people every day in this country and around the world, while pharmaceuticals put their billions behind patentable chemicals/compounds that have some minor potential for killing cancer. In the meantime, the FDA slows their approval to a trickle of poisons every year, all of which allow more deaths then they save. Now that something erxtremely promising like DCA comes along and instead of encouraging profit-biased institutions to throw some resources at this DCA, you pooh-pooh it. I hope some day, when DCA is found to be an effective cancer killer, you will be one of the institutional nay sayers whose comments will be looked upon by history as biased, obstructionist, and typical of the thinking that prevents, rather than ignites discovery.

john c.

2/6/2007 3:14:25 PM #

Roger Schaaf

I am always reminded just how slowly the medical community will pick up and support new ideas or possible cures.  One that first comes to mind is the tale of the Aussies who first discovered that ulcers were probably caused by a bacteria and not stress, spicy foods, etc.  It took some 15 years before the rest of the medical community to pick up on this idea and now these researchers have been given the Nobel Prize.  I believe it was a 60 Minute segment that finally woke our medical community from their slumber.  

In my case, I have known for some 20 years that my IBS problems were totally caused by fructose and high fructose corn syrup in my diet.  Avoid it, no problem, ingest it diarrhea continuously.  This I discovered after visits to John Hopkings, UCSF, Stanford and multiple esteemed Gastro Docs all over America.  Now I see that they are waking up and fructose and so called small bowel overgrowth is finally getting the credit it deserves for a huge number of the IBS sufferers in the USA.  Before this, it was send the poor slub to a shrink as IBS was a mental problem.  This DCA could fall on either side, but let us not have the typical medical community closed mind, the stakes are too high for many.

Roger

Roger Schaaf

2/6/2007 8:19:41 PM #

Peter Chan

This is a comment to john.c

What will you say when the next "great breakthrough" paper on cancer research is published?

As Dr. Lichtenfeld wrote, this phenomena has happened before and will probably happen again.

You people need to study some basic cancer biology. You will realize cancer is very complex. It is not one disease but, many hundreds perhaps thousands of conditions (if you count the underlying genetic mutations and the location of the disease).

Do not expect a one wonder drug to cure all cancers in the future. I am more hopeful that targeted drugs will be developed in the near future for indefinite remissions of specific cancers caused by specific genetic mutations. You only need to look up Gleevec, Dasatinib and Nilotinib as examples.

I, like Dr. Lictenfeld, would love to see one of these research papers done on mice or cell cultures, translate to an effective treatment with no or few side effects. However, we are realistic.

Peter Chan

2/6/2007 10:34:41 PM #

Robert Chan

Another interesting thing to note:  CARDIOMETABOLICS INC , which holds two patents on injectable DCA, is a spinoff company from the U of Alberta.  It's in the U of Alberta's best interest to find alternative uses for DCA.  Thanks for the information regarding the studies you've found  in your journal reviews.

Robert Chan

2/7/2007 2:15:30 AM #

Al Paliotta

You stated, "... New discoveries about vitamin C and vitamin D come to mind.
We haven't seen the hue and cry about getting these vitamins into cancer clinical trials, yet based on evidence similar to the DCA paper, there is equal reason to believe that either or both of these vitamins may have a role in cancer prevention and/or cancer treatment."
Perhaps you haven'y heard of DN-101, a Vitamin D derivative, currently in Phase III trials (Ascent 2) for metastatic prostate cancer.

Al Paliotta

2/7/2007 4:35:24 AM #

Frank

Dear Dr. Lictenfeld,
I don't consider it despicable to enlighten a desperate cancer sufferer about a possible effective treatment when conventional medicine has nothing left to offer.  It's more despicable to deny such hope.  
Also you fail to mention that the Warburg theory refers to the man who won the Nobel Prize for discovering the exact way cells use energy. He was very familiar with aerobic and anaerobic respiration, and in his Nobel acceptance speech discussed his hypothesis that cancer cells used anaerobic respiration producing lactic acid.  His idea was supported more recently by the work of Dr. Joseph Gold with  hydrazine sulfate.  But that's another (controversial) story.

Frank

2/7/2007 4:41:28 PM #

CaptainG

Our friend is dying.

She is considering one last chance of chemotherapy though she had a few already and she is afraid that this one will kill her.

I told her what I read about DCA and i quoted "this is not a silver bullet".

That's all I could do.

Isn't any discussion about options for treatments "despicable at worst."?

CaptainG

2/7/2007 6:14:18 PM #

David Springer

False hope is better than no hope.

Regardless, the fact remains that Sodium Dichloroacetate has been approved by the FDA as an investigative drug in human clinical trials.  It's a designated orphan drug in Europe.  The discovers at UofA filed for a U.S. patent on the treatment protocol on November 4th, 2005 and an international patent application at the last possible moment on November 4th, 2006 (there is a one year grace period between public disclosure and international patent filing where there is no grace period in U.S. patent applications).

I've seen the objections to getting excited about this, particularly the urban legend about how many times cancer has been cured in mice only to not work in humans.  This is different.  Nothing like DCA has ever been discovered.  It exploits a common feature of the vast majority of cancers (deactivated mitochondria) that heretofore was not considered as the consensus amongst cancer researchers has been that the mitochondria are irreversably damaged when in reality the UofA researchers show that the mitochondria are merely rendered dormant and DCA wakes them up.  Upon waking the mitochondria resume their role of cellular watchdog, find the cancer cell is out of control, and initiate apoptosis (programmed cell death).

I have blogged several articles on DCA now beginning about a week ago and there is a lot of additional research/information in the blog comments.

Watch the Edmonton News Report of Cancer Cure Dichloroacetate (DCA) 2/4/06

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2022

DCA - The Patent Pending Treatment Protocol 2/3/06

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2020

Doctor David H. Gorski doth protest too much, methinks 2/2/06

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2019

Cheap, safe drug kills most cancers 1/31/06

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2014

The fact that DCA clinical trials in humans has been delayed for over a year already while the UofA tried to license the patent rights is bad enough.  That it is being downplayed by cancer researchers whose livelyhoods would suffer immensely by an highly effective, easily tolerable, almost cost-free chemotherapy is the part I find despicable.  Now that you know I expect all due haste in getting clinical tests moving forward.

David Springer

2/7/2007 8:48:04 PM #

Autodidactic Millionaire

| "Now that you know I expect all due haste in getting clinical tests moving forward."

Yes, David, oncologists the world over should pay heed to an armchair amateur conspiracy theorist who with every breath denies the very underpinnings of modern biology.

(For those who don't know, David Springer is a strident anti-evolutionist poodle who does the bidding of that well known author and pseudoscientist, William Dembski.)

Autodidactic Millionaire

2/8/2007 12:41:12 PM #

john c.

This is a comment for Peter Chan and Doctor Lichfield:

Peter, in your response to my comments on the promise of DCA (and how the pharmaceuticals and the medical establishment will ignore its possibilities because of a lack of profit potential), you said that you and Dr. Lichfield are "realistic". Well, realistic is a quality I want in firefighters, police, and accountants. The qualities we in society need in our researchers/cancerfighters are ingenuity, foresight, inventiveness, risk-taking, and open-mindedness. These are qualities obviously sorely lacking in our institutions such as pharmaceuticals, traditional cancer research centers, and most oncologists. To spearhead and find new cures for cancers, we need outside the box thinkers who are risk-takers and who are motivated by compassion and discovery versus tradition and profit.

john c.

2/8/2007 2:36:26 PM #

Rich Whalen

Dear Dr. Lictenfield,
This is the first time I have encountered you or your blog. You did a fine job of explaining the Cancer Cell article. But instead of trying to tamp "irrational exuberance" with statements such as:

"It's just that I believe in patience, prudence and caution, because my experience has taught me that those are the best guidelines to follow in assessing reports such as the one in Cancer Cell"

why not use your resources to explain the scientific method and how scientists KNOW if a treatment, chemical, procedure, etc. is worthwhile. Then perhaps irrational exuberance, ignorant bashing of the medical community, pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, etc. will be less of a fire to tamp down later. Your experience is frankly irrelevant to the scientific method!

Rich Whalen

2/8/2007 7:50:09 PM #

Cindy Bravo

Right on, Mr. Whelen...I'm with you!  Oncologists need to imagine their wives/husbands sitting at home dying of throat cancer.  I'm sure they would just be sitting idly by, ignoring new drug treatments that have caused "irrational exuberance."  Yeah...it's not me dying, so we'll just stick with known, ineffective (but tested in clinical trials!) treatments until she dies.  Agh!!  Let's face it...when it comes to cancer there is no such thing as false hope.  Hope is part of our being, and cannot be false.  It's what keeps us going in the face of despair.  Should we just shut up, give up, and die to satisfy the medical community?  The entire oncological community needs to be part of an immediate effort whenever someone's onto something big like this, and get this show on the road!!!  It's like the stock market...past performance is no indicator of future performance, so please get moving.

Cindy Bravo

2/9/2007 12:52:39 PM #

BOB

I don't know if DCA will or will not hold promise for cancer patients. If and when there comes a time that a simple and effective, and cheap, solution (chemical, nutritional, etc)comes along, how will ALL the organizations, institutes,Pharma. co.'s, etc react and survive. I hope I'm alive to see the welcome implosion of  vultures subsisting  on poor victims given treatments which most likely make them worse. When these victims die, the institutions say, "
well, what do you expect, they had cancer!"...how convenient...

BOB

2/9/2007 3:11:15 PM #

Elmer A Clark Sr

My daughter at 55 years of age passed away in Bullhead City, Arizona. Dec 29, 2006 with cancer. I am 79 years of age and was on my way down to see her from Aberdeen Washington, when she died. I wonder if DCA would have helped her in her short battle with the sickness.  Please let me know.   Thank you very much. Best in your research.  Elmer A Clark Sr. 2313 Aberdeen Ave. Aberdeen, Washington.

Elmer A Clark Sr

2/10/2007 12:03:18 PM #

Daiichi

I read Dr. Len's article with growing trepidation... in the past, I'd contributed to the ACS with the idea that the organization gives hope to cancer patients.  And now, after reading Dr. Len's article, I have to wonder about their true motives.  Could it be that the ACS exists solely for the purpose of continuing their existence?

Some fallacious arguments from the article:  "It is a byproduct of another chemical called trichloroethylene (TCE), which has been a source of concern as a cancer causing agent for some time."  This isn't true, DCA is manufactured via reduction of trichloroACETATE.  And even if it were manufactured from -ethylene, it doesn't change the fact that DCA, TCA and TCE are COMPLETELY different compounds.  Dr. Len's argument is akin to saying "Don't eat salt, because it is made with Chlorine, and chlorine in significant amounts is known to cause painful death--you can google for chlorine yourself!"

Dr. Len also criticizes the researcher for saying that the clinical trials can be eaisly translated to phase II-III clinical trials and therefore " suggests a potentially easy translation of our work to clinical oncology."  Dr. Len says "Nothing in translation from the bench to the bedside is easy."  But that isn't what the researcher was saying!  If Dr. Len were less biased, he'd realize that what was being referred to is that  the Phase I trials (i.e., the safety trials) can take months, maybe years--and all of that has already been done (and can be referred to by future clinical trials for cancer efficacy) when the drug was evaluated as a treatment for Mitochondrial encephalomyopathy, lactic acidosis, and stroke-like episodes.  Whacking off years off clinical trials to evaluate the efficacy of a drug, at least to me (and probably to everyone with a loved on suffering from cancer) can be viewed as an "easier translation" wouldn't it?!

Dr. Len says it is inappropriate to consider trying DCA (which is already found safe for humans!) as a last-ditch effort to save a loved one.  I personally don't know a single patient diagnosed with 3 months to live who wouldn't sign a waiver for a drug that might save his life--THAT is hope in a hopeless situation.  And it still fits within the oath: "do no harm."

Dr. Len's article has many more fallacies--all of which imply a distinct bias.  I have to wonder why.  

Is the ACS truly an organization we should look to for a cheap, effective cure for cancer?

Daiichi

2/10/2007 9:05:14 PM #

Willis

The conspiracy theorists really need to calm down and take a breath.  When Dr. Lichtenfeld urges caution in making wild claims you attack him.  Why?  Because you want this to be true.  Well, everyone wants this to be true.  But wishing and hoping are not what science does, it evaluates facts.  What I want and what I believe are not the same thing, to say nothing about what is true in some sort of objective sense.  Some of you seem to want everyone to shut up with the questions, as though the silence will make DCA cure cancer.  That is irrational.  This article appeared in the January 2007 issue of Cancer Cell; the fact that people still have cancer in February 2007 should not be taken as evidence of a conspiracy.  The fact that scientists still have questions about it in February 2007, even if it turns out that it does cure cancer, is not evidence of a conspiracy.

If it is true, then it will be widely used and widely available.  If you are aware of it, there is no way that actual doctors and scientist don’t know about it.  So for the conspiracy theories to work, you pretty much need the complicity of every scientist, every laboratory, and even every physician in the world in covering up this potential breakthrough.  Since it is likely that many of you only read the news accounts, you probably hadn’t noticed that the Michelakis, et al. paper was published in the journal Cancer Cell.  Doesn’t that make you conspiracy theorists pause?  Doesn’t the fact that a major journal of the so-called cancer industry has published it undercut your belief in the evil machinations of said cancer industry?  Of course it doesn’t, because as conspiracy theorists what you want to believe and what you believe are the same thing; you just work backwards until everything makes sense (to you).

Having said that, I am hopeful about this article.  Not because I saw it in New Scientist – in my experience that magazine does hype a lot of science fiction – or because it was the subject of news articles.  Instead, I am hopeful because (1) the Alberta team’s article was published in what appears to me to be a bona fide, peer-reviewed science journal and (2) it seems to be in line with other recent research regarding the Warburg effect (I am thinking of the August 2006 issue of Oncogene which contained mostly papers discussing mitochondria and cancer).  The thing that makes me skeptical about this article, beyond normal scientific doubts like those expressed by Dr. Lichtenfeld, is  prominence of the conspiracy theory mindset among its biggest proponents.  I hope that this is just a coincidence.

Willis

2/11/2007 12:23:20 AM #

Daiichi

Willis:
If your comment is about my post, you couldn't be more wrong.  I never said that I knew that DCA cures cancer, what I "attacked" were the fallacies in Dr. Len's original article--and asked why the DCoM of ACS would make fallacious statements (and therefore, questioned is--and his organization's--objectivity).

Daiichi

2/11/2007 3:22:37 PM #

Gabriel Cornilescu

The striking detail that I wanted to address is the overly cautious toxicity warning associated with trichloroethylene chemical precursor, which is grossly misleading . But then I read Daiichi's comment which is exactly what I had in mind. I read all Stacpole's papers and everything that has been published on DCA in all fields and I'm not worried the least bit about side effects for terminal cancer cases. Nobody want to die of cancer tomorrow when he/she may live longer in not so perfect health... DCA has been administred to children in many FDA approved trials & treatments in 25-50 mg/kg body mass daily doses for periods ranging between weeks to 1 year, so judge for yourselves... All other points about not putting all hope into it are perfectly valid (I'm a skeptic too), but let's not fall in the other extreme either just because we missed some chemistry classes in   high school or college Smile

Gabriel Cornilescu

2/11/2007 4:05:04 PM #

Dr. Lichtenfeld,

While you've correctly pointed out that the mice used were selectively bred, you went on to describe the carcinogenicity of DCA, while neglecting to mention that these animals subjects were also selectively bred.

There have been no indications of carcinogenicity of DCA in humans, or in normal animals to my knowledge.  

Aside from this, what would be the side effects of taking strong, long-term doses of current chemotherapies?

Your emphasis is heavy on that many drugs work on mice, but not in humans.  The difference is our clear understanding of this drug's mechanisms, and its safety in humans.  I find it a little snooty of you to describe other's opinions on the fight against cancer as "despicable". I am not sure your education has qualified you to make this particular judgement.

Dr. Lichtenfeld,

2/11/2007 4:35:22 PM #

Willis

I wasn’t thinking specifically of you Daiichi, but I was referring to the mindset that thinks Dr. Litchenfeld’s post justifies questioning the motivation of the American Cancer Society.  I’m pretty sure you meant to imply that maybe the ACS was fighting for cancer, which I think is more than a little over the top.  He said that going around proclaiming DCA the “cure for cancer” at this stage is unacceptable at best and despicable at worst.  What part of that do you disagree with?  Oh yeah, the part where we don’t just assume this works and shut up already.  If we talk too much I guess we’ll jinx it.  I will type it again: we all want this to work.  But words of caution cannot have any effect on whether it actually does work.  I won’t argue with you though insofar as one of your points is that people should be able to try whatever they want in the way of treatment.  I am a libertarian myself and I think that we would all be better off if the FDA (and in at least one case the DEA) were out of the way.  Just because some people make bad decisions, I don’t think the government should be able to stop (or even slow down) adults from trying any treatment they think will help them.  Some people will certainly be duped into buying cures that don’t work, but I have more faith in people than that.  In general, I think people today are informed enough to vote with their pocketbooks (with their lives in fact) on what they think will help them.  The government has no inside knowledge on science and shouldn’t have a veto over any treatments.

Willis

2/12/2007 12:41:20 PM #

john crowder

Your comment was that researchers (and others) who raise the hopes of cancer patients are despicable. Well,Dr. Lichtenfeld, as long as we are defining groups we find despicable, let me say that institutional bureacrats who sit behind desks and take salaries instead of rolling up their sleeves, getting out their checkbooks and their test tubes, and investigating all new cancer-killing possibilities, are the despicable ones. People are needlessly dieing of cancer every day and their worst enemies are not the growing tumors or their failing internal organs, but the bureaucrats and naysayers who only follow the profit paths of the pharmaceutical companies by spending all their time investigating and promoting the next high profit chemo-poison that doesn't usually help patients but lines the pockets of those involved in the research and promotion of drugs and therapies like IL-2, Interferon, DTIC, and others that have, at best, a 20% effectiveness.
It is time for us to wake up and help those cancer patients circling the drain and start diverting funding to these new discoveries (like DCA) that AREN't patentable and AREN't promoted by the profit-starved pharmaceuticals and oncology industry.
Shame on you and your so-called "Cancer Society", Dr.Lichtenfeld. Time for you and your "Society" do some soul searching, take inventory of what you haven't done for cancer patients, and develop a new direction that will once and for all, defeat cancer.

john crowder

2/12/2007 1:32:37 PM #

A. C. VINEGAR

An apple a day keeps the doctor away...keep your sense of humor...because the history of corruption in research is bitter to swallow.

A. C. VINEGAR

2/12/2007 2:25:57 PM #

Tom M

If "ignorance is bliss" to some suffering (physically or mentally) from any form of cancer, I would assume "knowledge (of a promising drug) is more blissful"

Tom M

2/12/2007 11:41:23 PM #

Jim

I can only assume by the biased tone of your article you are happy with the accepted treatment for cancer, which have many drawbacks, limited results but are highly profitable for the medical community, Big Pharma and the ACS itself!!

The patients that were being treated with DCA all had lactic acidosis, and eventually died. In their own words "Despite improvement in their lactic acidemia, all patients but one died of their underlying disease." Meaning they died from the underlying acidosis not DCA toxicity (this is important), can the same be stated for Chemotherapy?

You are making the point that while this may have some benefit, they may also be some side effects.
"So before you start going out and adding DCA to your drinking water to prevent cancer, a degree of caution would be very prudent at this point."

What a ridiculous notion. Obviously the current medically accepted treatment of choice, chemotherapy and radiation can not be used for the prevention of cancer. Why would people attempt to use DCA as a preventative agent rather than a treatment for cancer. I know you are just trying to protect us from ourselves, thanks but no thanks.

You are obviously too intelligent to make these silly statements by mistake. I smell a Big Pharma Biased Rat, and I donlt mean ones used in the laboratory experiments.

It's funny how the PA in my mother's oncologists office babbled her way through the explanation of how it would do no good to limit my Mother's insatiable craving for sugar. PET scans use glucose as a transport agent for the radioactive tracer, and cancer cells eat it up like crazy. The tumor's main function is to thrive and survive and through the less efficient metabolic action of glycolysis, is it any wonder how cancer patients crave candy?? It couldn't hurt to limit sugar and other simple carbohydrate intake.

The article is wonderful but Dr. Lichtenfeld's presentation stinks of bias. I wonder what would happen to Dr. Lichtenfeld's salary if DCA turns out to be a miracle drug. Dr. Lichtenfeld doesn't appear to be an open minded researcher that we need to lead out relatives and loved one's through this dreaded disease.
"I'd rather have false hope, than no hope at all."

Jim

2/13/2007 11:23:27 AM #

SJ Keerthi

From the point of a son of a cancer sufferer, it is not different to sense the color of your (Dr. Lichtenfeld's) article. It leaves me (and a couple of my friends) with a feeling that information about DCA is 99% exaggerated and maybe 1% if significance to the ACS. Do you really get so many new ways of treating cancer every day, that you think this is as useless to you as nothing? If you do, what is the ACS doing with it? Most of us understand that in your scheme of things; most of the prospective findings die with the immune deficient mice that you understand so well. Why does most of your research work so well in test tubes and mice, but fail in humans? I feel it is your uni-dimensional approach, and your expectations that all finding worth your review will come from the Big Pharma.

A simple comparison of the progress made in overcoming this disease called 'Cancer' with other fields/areas of research like Space, Physics, IT, Imaging, etc,. leaves me feeling "in my opinion, not acceptable at best and despicable at worst." The results of ACS with its existing and past members I think is a total disaster in comparison with other areas of research which have made rapid strides.

SJ Keerthi

2/13/2007 1:38:33 PM #

iza

i am so sorry, my english is not good
how use dca

iza

2/14/2007 4:19:10 AM #

Roger Schaaf

Everyone whining about the drug companies and those in the cancer curing business and how many dollars they will lose in their cottage industry should think about this for a momement, perhaps they will rethink their harsh assessement of the greed that motivates these profiteers.

If it is true that 3 percent of American males will likely die of prostate cancer and upwards of 2 out of 3 men will contract it in their life time, does it make sense that even those greedy Doctors and Drug companies would hide or refuse to support any possible therapy or drug that could put this disease in the ashcan of history along with the black death or polio?  And of course these greedy folks have sons and brothers and fathers who too could benefit from said discoveries.  Sometimes I get fed up to here with the cynics who think the oil companies are out to get us, that GM buried the 100 mpg carburator, or NASA phonied up the man on the moon, or that the Republicans stole the election in Florida.  If this DCA or any other finding is for real this will be great for all of us, if it fails, well, the Wright brothers only flew a few hundred feet on the first flight.  One day, who knows when, a news flash such as this will be for real and probably only then will the cynics shut down, but of course will probably then complain that the drug company is making too much money at the expense of the poor consumer.  Give us all a break.  Only in America.

Roger Schaaf

2/14/2007 10:36:27 AM #

Dave

I don't understand why there isn't some other insitution (academic, "for profit" ,etc) that is announcing that they will also investigate / researdh this.  Shouldn't there be more enthusiasm from universities, governments, or even some pharma stepping forward ?

Dave

2/15/2007 6:28:54 PM #

Jeff

My previous submission was not allowed, but I must, at very least, point out that comparing TCE to DCA, is, really not that different form comparing Table salt to Bleach.

Come to think of it, Table salt and bleach may actually have more in common than TCE and DCA.

With so little known and so many questions, I'm not sure why the answers started with an entirely different chemical.  I'll leave my comments at that, with the hope that they be included this time.

Jeff

2/15/2007 6:38:56 PM #

Jeff

For further discussion of DCA, I have created a website:

http://www.dichloroacetate.org.

The site will NOT be selling DCA, or encouraging others to take it.  I will not be profiting, in any way, from this site.  I do feel that further discussion is needed.  I find it very unfair of the medical community to make a wave of interest over the internet as the problem, when the problem is in fact the age-old one:   $$$.

Whatever your personal stance on DCA, I would like to hear it and I would like this topic to grow, rather than die.

Jeff

2/15/2007 9:33:04 PM #

L Ray

I used to be a big supporter and contributor to the ACS; that is, until I became a cancer survivor myself.
This is a good example of why I became skeptical of the ACS.  DCA seems to be a possibly inexpensive and perhaps even effective treatment. So how about supporting clinical trials, ACS???  Show us something beyond big drug money.

L Ray

2/19/2007 4:35:04 AM #

SJ Keerthi

Dear Mr.Roger Schaaf, reading your comment makes me feel that you do not have any close friends or relatives suffering from Cancer. I guess yours is a case personal assesment and comment. Though I still wish that cancer stay away from you, your friends and relatives, I hope you see things in the perspective of a cancer patient.

"Wright brothers only flew a few hundred feet on the first flight", much before them Leanardo Da Vinci sketched similar designs a few hundered years back, I don't know if he was prevented from materialising his stetches, but we could wait for it. Do you think a cancer patient can wait? I don't understand what you think is a cottage industry. Do enquire about the prices and side effects of chemotherapy drugs and else try to find out the percentage of increase in the survival rates in the last thirty years in people using conventional treatments.

Also try to get more information on how the patent rules are blatantly exploited to continue the cash flow to these companies. I think these profit driven companies first infiltrate and then use the incompetant people in bodies like ACS to promote their products. No patient is against any therapy or any stream of medicine as long as it gives the results. Preventing possible cures, people using their position to spread wrong information is comparable to terrorism.

SJ Keerthi

2/19/2007 3:28:47 PM #

Linda

It's not about conspiracy, it's about the fact that it's highly unlikely that the organizations with funds to support the clinical trials to the tune of $1M - $100M will come across with the cash if they have no chance of recouping the investment.  I understand the business aspect from the pharma-co's.  What I don't understand is why aren't these trials being funded by my regular contributions to the ACS, the contributions I make in memory of both my mother (lung cancer, age 48) and father (colon cancer, age 59), or my friend Mike, whose funeral I attended today (melanoma, age 44).  How about with my tax dollars, especially with all the money being. earmarked for "health care".  I understand there is no "magic bullet" or perhaps there is.  We'll never know until the clinical trials are funded and complete. I'm not a scientist, a bio-chemist or the like, I'm just tired of losing my loved ones to cancer, afraid of my own predisposition to the disease and my own experience that the treatments currently being used just don't work.

Linda

2/19/2007 6:24:31 PM #

David Talbot

My sister was diagnosed with breast cancer 8 years ago. After 2 radical surguries, radiation, bone marrow and multiple other chemo treatments she has been stage 4 for about 2 years. Her liver, large and small intestines, and a few other sites now have tumors.  She has lost 35 lbs in the last 45 days. What has she got to lose?

David Talbot

2/19/2007 11:01:00 PM #

Paul L

Every year seems to bring new cancer cure to the media forefront but DCA has sparked a few debates and deserves special attention.

1] Scientific Methedology is Challenged. Currently the scientific and medical community consideres it unethical and statistically flawed to give terminally ill cancer patients drugs that might help them, like DCA. Telling a patient who has 3 months to live and will spend these weeks in agony and on morphine that they can't take a drug because it goes against proper scientific methedology is inhumane.

2] Corporate Callousness is Highlighted. Drug companies primary goals are to make money and not save people's lives. The fact that this drug does not have a lot of commercial success and the medical community gives traditional expensive and harmful chemo to terminally ill cancer patients rather than try cheaper and potentially more helpful ones suggest they are out of touch with reality. What terminally ill cancer patient wouldnt want to try DCA over painful and ineffective chemo? Most would of prefered to simply die in hindsight, rather than suffer through chemo.

3] Politics of the Medical Community and Drug Companies is Highlighted. Medical officials and drug companies are in bed with one another. How can we the public expect our interests to be served. How can they send patients home to die after a year of radiation and chemo therapy? Why should we be told to stop fighting? Because drug companies can't make money from it and chemo doctors do what they tell them to do.

P. Lindgreen
healthcarereviews.com

Paul L

2/20/2007 1:17:58 PM #

Peter Chan

Anyone remember the hype generated by Dr. Judah Folkman and his research with angiostatin and endostatin?
www.time.com/.../0,8816,988347,00.html

My point is we've seen this in the past. We see it now with DCA. We will see it in the future.

DCA, like the anti-angiogenesis drugs, attack cancer's support mechanism and not the specific cancer genes (and proteins). Therefore, my guess is if DCA becomes an approved cancer treatment, it will be an adjuvant therapy not a first line treatment.

Remember, cancer has been cured many times in cell cultures and lab animals. Nothing to date has translated to a cure in humans. Human metabolism is very unpredictable.

Peter Chan

2/21/2007 6:16:37 PM #

Patrick McCurdy

Dr. Lictenfeld, this where I would hope that the ACS would step in and help with support of this otherwise inexpensive potential treatment. Okay maybe it won't work in the end, but you at the ACS could use some of the $ we dontate to help with the clinical trials since the drug companies won't for obvious reasons.

Patrick McCurdy

2/23/2007 4:38:46 AM #

Roger Schaaf

To: Mr. SJ Keerthi;

I believe that you should re-read my comments and than look up the term "tongue in cheek".  Where I referred to "greedy profiteers" I  was suggesting that this is who the whiners are complaining of, and that for one to suspect that these "greedy profiteers" would hide a effective therapy is quite ignorant.  To simplify it for you, I was not calling those who help those afflicted, "greedy profiteers", I was suggesting that there are always those out there who will call anyone or company who earns a money in the medical or drug industry merely a "greedy profiteer".  I also suggest that you read my earlier comment in this blog for perhaps a better understanding of my position.  I suspect that my explanation will have confused you even more.  Oh yes, I almost forgot, my father died from kidney cancer and my mother had both breasts removed at the age of 75 because of cancer.

Roger Schaaf

2/23/2007 7:51:24 PM #

Edward Rose

In the abcnews article you wrote,

"Another item that came up in the Google search was a 1983 article from the New England Journal of Medicine.

Here is a quote from that article:

'Despite improvement in their lactic acidemia, all patients but one died of their underlying disease. No serious drug-related toxicity occurred. We conclude that dichloroacetate is a safe and effective adjunct in the treatment of patients with lactic acidosis, although the ultimate prognosis may depend on the underlying disease.'

In other words, the treatment was a success, but the patient died."

What does the patient dying have to do with DCA possibly being dangerous? In fact, the quote from the New England JOM states, "No serious drug-related toxicity occurred."

I would also ask, if this is "The Holy Grail" of Cancer Treatment, would you still have a job?

Signed,

One of those paranoid people who thinks the cure is being hidden.... AKA: Edward Rose Smile

Edward Rose

2/25/2007 10:12:17 AM #

MCAW

As the web/blog buzz about the effects of DCA on cancer continues, we have no idea if it really works on humans as it does in mice/rats.

My question is this: If a drug is so effective in killing cancer cells rats, why does it act differently in humans? As in DCA, we know it's effects on the cancer cells but what makes it act different between us and them (the rats)?

Do the rats allow more of the chemical to enter the blood stream than ours by ingestion, making it more effective for them then us?

If this is so, then would it not just need a more direct way to enter the blood stream such as IV or direct skin absorbs like the nicotine patch.

It just wonders me that so many cancer free mice coming out of the labs and so few humans. Why can we not mimic the cures in humans as we do mice.

MCAW

2/26/2007 3:49:34 AM #

Ron Rhoades

Well everyone... I am a cancer survivor of about 1.5years now.  I had a large tumor on my small intestines which was diagnosed as GIST.  A nasty form of cancer.  My cancer happened to be a quickly multiplying, about to burst tumor which needed to be removed immediately.  Upon removal i healed up and felt great.  Later found out the cancer had spread ONLY to my liver.  For the last year i have been fighting it with the HELP of GOD, gleevec and alternative means like Laetrile and greens, etc... Now i stumble upon this DCA information and it makes me think.  Is it good or not?  Will it work?  I do the research, at least all that i can find online.  I was able to obtain a lot of data on the chemical but nothing regarding results from actual clinicals or test results, not even experiments by cancer patients.  I obtained 1L of Dichloroacetic acid, reagent grade and will use myself for experimentation.  According to my latest CT scans over the last year the cancer is pretty much at a stand still or extremely slow growth in my Liver.  I will therefore have more conclusive information at my next 3Month CTscan after having used this product diluted in pH7 0.02u filtered water.  Pray for me.

Ron Rhoades

2/26/2007 6:05:05 PM #

MCAW

Ron Rhoades,

Diluting DCA Acid in only water will result in your burning your mouth, throat and stomach.

DCA Acid is not the same as Sodium DCA. Sodium DCA has been processed with a buffer in a lab to bring the PH value close to neutral (PH 7) to be injestable by capsule or adding it to water.

DCA Acid is a strong acid of 1.78 (Strong Acid).

Find a Chemist Lab or Compounding Pharmacy in your area to assist.

MCAW

3/6/2007 5:15:19 PM #

Len Lichtenfeld

I thank all of you for your comments--even those who may not agree with me or question my motives.

From my vantage point, this has been an intelligent and appropriate exchange of views which to me is the essence of discussion and, yes, disagreement.

I have never said that this would not be effective as a cancer treatment.  What I have said is that it is not a simple or routine matter to move from the bench to the bedside.   There have been some successes (you may want to take a look at http://www.cancer.org/docroot/RES/RES_1.asp to see some of the research advances supported by the American Cancer Society), and there have been many disappointments.

Yes, DCA has been given to patients under very carefully monitored conditions.  It is also a caustic acid that is used to burn off genital warts.  It is carcinogenic in animals, and it is a metabolite of TCE.

Those points aside, let me emphasize that I would welcome nothing more than a quick and easy answer to the treatment of cancer.  That said, and what I tried to convey in my original posting, is that the road to success is not as simple as many would like.

I am going to assume that DCA will be evaluated through further experiements and possibly clinical trials in due course.  But, to claim a priori that it is the next great cancer treatment discovery based soley on the evidence presented in the original journal article is premature and does a disservice (in my personal opinion) to those who are understandably desperately seeking a cure.

Len Lichtenfeld

3/8/2007 11:00:57 PM #

Robert Smith

Dr,

First off I'm happy to see a chemical that can shut down glycolysis, it should do well against cancer stem cells, those ugly little devils that resist chemo, survive and come back.  Per Sabet at UCSF in his melanoma study, telomerase activates glycolysis in cancer cells.  This evidently shuts it down, and restores P-53 to its mission of suicide for faulty cells. Both the fetus and cancer cells run on glycolysis.  Certainl this chemical should be looked at for killing cancer stem cells.  
But let me give you and example to consider.  The constitution gives us the right to LIFE.  Lung cancer patients have about a 10 percent chance of surviving 5 years, most are dead in two years.  Why in the heck are we sending 500, 000 Americans home to die every year and not letting them try something that we know isn't as toxic as 99 percent of the chemotherapy they just had to no avail????   I've seen people die of many cancers, lung is quick, so is pancreatic.  They don't have time to wait, but they do have a constitutional right to try to live.  I believe their doctors have a moral obligation to tell them about DCA, and not after they are already the walking dead, but upon diagnosis.  

Chemo causes, in some patients, death, severe disability, drastic impacts on congnitive functioning for life, permanent nerve damage, etc.  Surgery has some mortality, nerve damage, and permanent disability.  Radiation hits unintended targets, including the heart and other other organs, causing lifetime problems if you survive the cancer.   Both chemo and radiation increase the chances that you will get cancer Again.

I scream for the constitutional rights of hundreds of thousands who will be sent home to die this year, and those facing the medival triad of slash, burn, and poison.  First do no harm is revoked when it comes to the triad.  I think all doctors should be giving patients a choice to try something like DCA, especially in the case of lung and pancreatic cancer.  But all patients should be told about it.  Its not something out of some aroma therapy book, its a damn good rat study with human zenografts and the results are too profound to ignore.  I realize that the safe harbor for the doctors would be to say nothing about DCA to their patients, liability and all.  But what is the moral way?  What about the patients' constitutional right to be alive.

Robert Smith

3/9/2007 12:08:43 AM #

Antonio Caranci

Dear Dr.

There are many different opinions on DCA and unless you know someone who is dying from cancer, you cannot begin to appreciate the hope this drug brings.
Instead of just talking about the side effects and possibility it may work, why doesn't someone in the medical field give us and idea of how much a person should take.
People are experimenting with this DCA and really don't know how to use it.
So medical people get off your behinds and give us some ideas. We are not going to hold you responsible. But your ideas on use might just save a life

Regards,Antonio

Antonio Caranci

3/9/2007 12:09:27 AM #

Antonio Caranci

Dear Dr.

There are many different opinions on DCA and unless you know someone who is dying from cancer, you cannot begin to appreciate the hope this drug brings.
Instead of just talking about the side effects and possibility it may work, why doesn't someone in the medical field give us and idea of how much a person should take.
People are experimenting with this DCA and really don't know how to use it.
So medical people get off your behinds and give us some ideas. We are not going to hold you responsible. But your ideas on use might just save a life

Regards,Antonio

Antonio Caranci

3/19/2007 10:44:37 AM #

Dave

For those that want to participate in more discussion regarding DCA there is a DCA forum site called www.dcasite.com. They seem to have a lot of interesting information and viewpoints

Dave

3/27/2007 4:54:07 PM #

Gloria Hovde

I seriously hope the American Cancer Society will consider donating money to DCA Clinical trials at the University of Alberta. Regardless of whether DCA proves effective in the treatment of cancer, much of the waiting time can be reduced if needed funding can be found for the trials. I can think of no better organization in the U.S. to help with this than the ACS.

Gloria Hovde

4/10/2007 11:17:32 AM #

Beatrix the Cat

I was diagnosised with intestinal lymphoma on 26 Dec 06, and received traditional chemotherapy until it was clear my abdominal mass had grown 3X its size.  Without response to treatment the doctors stopped chemo, and gave me two weeks.  
My housemate (owner) researched and found the UofAlberta info, bought DCA in Feb (buyDCA.com) and the mass is now essentially gone.  
Only caveat, decrease doseage with tumor size reduction; don't continue to base dose solely on mg/Kg.

Beatrix the Cat

4/10/2007 12:00:01 PM #

Centurion

The comments literally reek with a "seen-it-all-before" sumgness. I suspect that the good doctor is just a tad jealous that he didn't think of this approach first.  While caution is a good thing, to give short shrift to the aspects of the DCA story that set it apart and above most/all others is a sin and a shame.

Centurion

4/20/2007 8:24:40 PM #

Larry

If I was dying of cancer I'd try DCA or any other promising theories in an instant. Medicine should not apply the same standards to a therapy for treating   a 20 year olds acne, and for treating a terminally ill persons illness.

Larry

5/14/2007 6:34:30 PM #

Edgardo

Despicable? Why? Because DCA manufacturers don't contribute to your Aspen retreat? I thought about getting into med school when I was young, that was until I found out the grip hold the pharmaceutical companies have on health care institutions and research laboratories. Thank God I became a mechanical engineer, because it's this type of skepticism that has put the medicine world 100 years back. My wife asked me the other day how come men can put a man on the moon and not cure cancer? I asked her not to get confused between doctors and engineers.

Edgardo

5/20/2007 6:19:06 AM #

Waheed Elqalatawy

Hi Dr Lechtenfeld,
Being a big authority in a society facing that devil enemy, you have the right to be cautious, prudent, and even skeptical about any thing that may give delusive hopes for the poor people having this devil in their bodies.
I read the summary of the article written by the authers of the article about DCA, and may be it is oversimplified, and the site is mentioning something about raising funds to support the proposed clinical trials, but I have some inquiries about the topic :
1- Do you have any scientific contradicts with the claimed theory that DCA reactivates mitochondrial energy production, and by virtue suppressing glycolysis?
2- Isn't it possible that we take DCA as a prototype to be verified for this claimed effect, to be thereafter modified?
3- The whole issue of debate is about the direct use of DCA to treat cancer (after clinical trials in humans) and its probable side effects, couldn't we derive other chemical molecules, based on its SAR (structure-activity-realtionship)?
4- Glycolysis was the basis of scientists in Germany and the former Soviet Union in the seventies of the last century to treat cancer with partial success, when they flooded blood with glucose to oversaturate cancer cells with it, and through their extraordinary ability to absorb glucose, their pH was sufficiently low to kill them through glycolysis. Hasn't DCA the premises to represent a clue to a crucial process in cancer issue?

Waheed Elqalatawy

6/14/2007 12:42:47 AM #

Steve Juniper

It seems to me that by now there should be a sufficient number of people who have tried DCA for advanced cancer to have some idea as to its POSSIBLE effectiveness, but I've been unable to find it. If it may work my wife may have no other reasonable options for advanced breast cancer met to liver. Unfortunaely, the dcasite doesn't help much. Is there any better current DCA info around?

Steve Juniper

6/23/2007 12:30:26 PM #

Kevin

I would like to comment about a couple of things.  I agree with Frank that “I don't consider it despicable to enlighten a desperate cancer sufferer about a possible effective treatment when conventional medicine has nothing left to offer”.  My father-in-law has been left with no other options.  The cancer centre in Calgary has stated to him that there is no possibility for surgery, chemo or radiation.  The way this was interpreted was go away and die.  I know that this was not the intent, however this was the feeling.  One oncologist had actually said do not worry about your diet and what you can do just go out and live it up.  Eat French fries and enjoy.  It is all about the quality of life now.
Peter had made a statement “we are realistic.”.  Let me put this in layman’s terms as some other s earlier had indicated that there is no way the layman can understand.  Realistic is that my father-in-law is dying at a rapid pace with no current options.  There is a lot of snake doctors hovering just outside the door with no attempt for scientific backing.  At least the research done at the University of Alberta has attempted to be scientific about this.  We can not continue to study rats and dogs for ever.  Sooner or later we have to take it to the next level.  If we continue to worry about the next level we would still be without insulin and penicillin.  When people are left with no options to get involved in trials should be held in high regard.  
MY FATHER-IN-LAW IS PATIENT 21 IN A DCA TRIAL.  He currently feels better than before the trial.  This may be short lived, however hopefully his bravery can help his situation or at least further the advance of the potential cure.  His spirits are high.  This causes his quality of life to be better.  We all know that the outcome may be the same. In layman’s terms “it is sad to think that only Doctors can decide what may be best for the patient”.

My question for all of you is if you were told that there are no options left what would you do?  Would you crawl on a hole and die or would you get involved?  What is there to loose?

Kevin

7/4/2007 1:29:15 PM #

David S

Dear Dr. Lictenfeld,
The point to this story was the expiration of the patents on DCA and since the drug could not be owned by any one pharmaceutical company there were no funds for the clinical studies required to determine the viability of this drug.  And that my dear sir is not a conspiracy theory but a capitalistic reality.  There is no money in cures when you compare it to the money to be made in on going treatments.  The treatments are like the gravy train that can only be halted by a cure.   And it is that fact that will keep all pharmaceutical companies looking for and only funding research into lucrative treatments while at the same time ignoring the cures that would alleviate human suffering.  You tell say that you have been working in cancer research for about 30 years and don’t know this is the reality we are faced with and anyone who figures this out is a conspiracy nut living in dream land.  I believe you are the one living in dreamland and are the despicable one who is trying to cloud the real lesson in all of this.  Do you do this because you are afraid of loosing your means of making money or do you not know what is really going on in this world?  Either way you indicate a lack of understanding of a very serious problem in our current system and I believe it is time for you to wake-up and smell the coffee.

David S

8/5/2007 5:06:33 PM #

BOB

Whats the latest news on DCA? Its been 6 months since the last post I can find on the subject here?

BOB

8/27/2007 2:05:43 PM #

Roger

Kevin,
Referring to June 23, 2007 posting.How is your father-in-law doing with his DCA trial. Can I ask, where we can find DCA trials?  Thank you. Roger

Roger

9/27/2007 10:07:39 AM #

Victoria in Michigan

My dog has leukemia, so I am far better informed about cancer treatments in dogs than anyone wishes they need to be.

One thing that has become clear to me (as I don rubber gloves to stuff toxic substances down his throat) is that everything is a balance.  Something so nasty that I oughtn't touch it may tamp down something even more nasty that is sure to kill him if left on its own.

It would be great if some benign cure could be found.

It would even be good if yet another nasty substance is found to slow cancer for a time (while causing other sorts of damage in the process).

It is very clear that, alas, the whole business of treating cancer is far more art than science.  Each individual reacts differently.  One dose of a chemo drug may cause very awful side effects in one individual, and no apparent side effects in many others.

It's good to have a wide array of choices to employ in this fight..............

Victoria in Michigan

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11/26/2007 7:44:56 AM #

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The reason there is no "hue and cry" over vitamin C and D could well be because these substances are readily available to the general public - Most cancer patients will have heard of them and can self adminster them without any fuss.

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12/18/2007 11:07:39 AM #

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1/2/2008 11:25:14 AM #

A. Stonier

Doctor, I have had 2 family members die of cancer in the last year. One as a result of lactic acidosis. If the reearchers at U of A have any luck with their research I say fantastic. The problem is that DCA is an orphan drug and none of the drug companies will touch it. I have seen the devastation cancer does to a family when one of their members dies of the disease. Your reluctance regarding a "miracle cure" is all well and good, however it is also interesting to note that must of the research in cancer fighting agents has been funding by the pharmaceutical industry an it is interesting you oppose research into a drug that won't make them any money.

A. Stonier

1/2/2008 10:19:47 PM #

Frank

I am not a Doctor,nor a scientist and I might not understand all this stuff even if it were translated into plain English.  I do know, however that if I were given 3 months to live, given the effectiveness of all the current treatments available, I would sign up for DCA in a heartbeat.  It's all about HOPE and CHOICE which clearly, the current establishment is slow to offer.

Frank

1/7/2008 6:45:33 AM #

John

To recap your long winded article: DCA might work but people shouldn't get excited.  Thanks.  Next time a friend or family member dies of cancer I'll send my donation to Canada, not the American Cancer Society.

So few comments.  Where's the big controversy?  Or are you censoring the comments?

John

2/15/2008 6:07:18 PM #

carl R.

Dr.Lichtenfeld,
while agree with and respect your educated opinion on this subject I must say I am surprised with some of your negative comments. First, your view that things get "dicey" based on the following comment by the researcher:

"The ease of delivery, selectivity, and effectiveness make DCA an attractive candidate for proapoptotic cancer therapy which can be rapidly translated into phase II-III clinical trials."

In the discussion section of the paper, the authors conclude with the following statement:

"Our work … offers a tantalizing suggestion that DCA may have selective anticancer efficacy in patients. The very recent report of the first randomized long-term clinical trial of oral DCA in children with congenital lactic acidosis (at doses similar to those used in our in vivo experiments) showing that DCA was well tolerated and safe (Stacpoole et al., 2006) suggests a potentially easy translation of our work to clinical oncology." .

I interpreted this to mean based on long term use and accumulated knowledge on DCA for other treatments, it would be a good candidate to bypass the more rudimentary early stage testing,. Sounds sensible to me after all DCA has been around a long time and used in as you pointed out children.

Second was your comment about your internet search on the subject saying that you predominantly saw warnings about DCA being a derivative of a cancer causing agent. I found that to be quite selective as I have exhaustively searched the net on DCA and have seen 100's of positive comments to the contrary and maybe only two suggesting DCA may be a carcinogen. I wonder how you might characterize the toxicity of various chemo treatments? You obviously are trying to put a negative spin on this. I am concerned that someone in your position would be so negative about hope for those in such a detrimental and hopeless situation. In my opinion we should be embracing the potential for cures or effective treatments not casting doubt and denying it to the dying.

carl R.

2/19/2008 3:40:50 PM #

Bobby Granger

Dr. Lictenfeld,

have you seen any more about DCA being legit? I would like to talk to individuals who has used it?

Bobby Granger

Bobby Granger

2/27/2008 3:58:27 PM #

gary

Dear Dr. Lictenfeld, In Europe we have the Human Rights Coventions "right to life" etc which would ensure treatment.

I created my own resource to ensure a wide cross-section of information on cancer and cancer treatment.
http://cancerlinks.blogspot.com/

Regards

gary

4/2/2008 4:37:48 PM #

Allen E

Yes DCA presents danger and it is very real one. But to who?  yes, you guessed it right, to all medical community including pharmaceutical companies, doctors and others who feed off of hundreds of thousands of people who are seek.  The goal of that mafia (as I call) it is not not to allow anything that could cure people.  They do just fine taking care of the symptoms but curing the seekness is not thier goal. Well, while US completely closed the idea of even trying DCA there is amuch better progress in Canada where a brand new hospital was just opened and they are treating people with DCA.  This is a government approved hospital and they accept Canada health insurance. It looks like our neighbors to the north do care about their people.  Its a shame in what kind of country we live. Doctors, where is your common sense?  When will your personal greed end and you will start thinking about other people?  Reemeber the oath you took? Shame on you. SHAME

Allen E

4/10/2008 5:22:20 PM #

Judy Dowell

I am a female age 52 with Mantle cell non-hogekins lymphoma, stage IV E with bone marrow involvement. I have a 2 inch by 4 inch node against my pancreas and lung as well as a 2 inch by 4 inch node against my liver. I have been using the wait-and-see approach for 13 months since diagnosed (on my Birthday) last year. Had I started the R-CHOP-V protocol, I would have a prognosis of 6 months to 18 months of life, so as of August, I most doubtedly would be dead had I taken the chemo. It is not a cure. I have always said, why use Plan A if there is a plan B and C. If Plan C definately works, just skip the rest and use plan C. Unfortunately with Mantle cell cancer, there is no plan A, B or C, there are just alot of Oncologists making a whole lot of money on treatments that kill moreso than cure, and since there is no CURE for Mantle cell non-hogekins, then I should have a right to choose which method and which drug I put into my body. I am hopeful that DCA turns out to be like molded bread! I have hope, and maybe someday, after finding a cure, I will be able to shake your hand as I shake my head at your closed mindedness that has developed over the years, and bring a long awaited smile to your face.
Sincerely, A more than HS educated cancer patient but still hopefull and Real.
Judy Dowell

Judy Dowell

4/11/2008 9:50:10 AM #

Nikola

For everyone wondering if the DCA is working, well for some the answer is YES. Go to http://www.thedcasite.com/Bile_duct_cancer.html  or the home page and read about peoples expirience in using DCA on themselves.

Nikola

5/24/2008 11:06:30 PM #

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6/23/2008 8:41:11 PM #

Mark

A true story from a cancer patient

My name is Jacqui Hunt. In 2001 I was diagnosed with B cell non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, or lymphatic cancer.

I was told that there was no effective treatment for my condition and all that modern medicine could provide was to monitor the progress of the cancer and give chemotherapy to reduce symptoms when they became more severe.  Chemotherapy could bring about temporary reduction in the condition but the cancer would inevitably return and the second time it would probably be much more aggressive.

After the initial shock of the diagnosis and a period of considerable fear, I set about dealing with the cancer in my own way using any type of alternative or integrative therapy that I thought might help.

Despite all my efforts the cancer did progress and by the middle of 2004 I had developed a tumour in my stomach measuring 13cm x 8cm x 4cm.  It was palpable and measured by ultra sound scan.  My stomach protruded as if I was 6 months pregnant and I could feel a strong pulse in my stomach over the tumour.

It was at this time that I was introduced to the Chinese herbs Agrimseng.  The acupuncturist who was treating me had visited a cancer hospital in China and had learned of a combination of Chinese herbs that had been developed specifically to treat cancer.  He asked me if I would be willing to try the herbs Agrimseng and I agreed, as I felt I had nothing to loose and much to gain.  I was convinced the herbs were well researched and were completely safe with a great deal of ancient Chinese herbal knowledge behind them. As the herbs were gifted to me, part of the agreement to use them was that I would have ultra sound scans each six months to track the progress of the tumour.

By the end of 2004 at the same time that I started taking the herb Agrimseng I also began my training to become a qualified Mindbody Psychotherapist in Core Energetics, Australia.

Over the next few months I started to feel better.  My energy levels increased and I somehow felt more positive in myself.  My stomach began to feel more settled and seemed not to protrude quite as much.  They were subtle changes.  The scans were not showing much at first, although the depth of the tumour didn’t seem to be so easy to pick up and the radiologists stopped reporting that particular measurement.

One radiologist, who knew I had had no traditional treatment, became concerned when she couldn’t find a tumour of the size previously recorded.  She thought she had made a mistake.  But I already knew by this time that the tumour was reducing.

In the final session with the Oncologist in May 2006 he could find no palpable tumour, my stomach had returned to normal size and I was feeling very well. My spleen size which had been significantly increased had also returned to normal.

By June 2007, six years after diagnosis and at a time when the cancer would be expected to be spreading there is no sign of the tumour and I am fit and healthy.  I believe that my return to good health was brought about by the use of the Agrimseng Herbs combined with extensive psychotherapy, in particular Mindbody psychotherapy, Both the Agrimseng herbs and the Mindbody psychotherapy work with the emotional body, and I believe it is at this level that we need to truly heal ourselves.

Jacqui Hunt

For more information, please go to: www.ahrc.co.nz or ph: 0064 9 4788968

Mark

6/23/2008 8:43:01 PM #

Mark

A true story from a cancer patient

My name is Jacqui Hunt. In 2001 I was diagnosed with B cell non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, or lymphatic cancer.

I was told that there was no effective treatment for my condition and all that modern medicine could provide was to monitor the progress of the cancer and give chemotherapy to reduce symptoms when they became more severe.  Chemotherapy could bring about temporary reduction in the condition but the cancer would inevitably return and the second time it would probably be much more aggressive.

After the initial shock of the diagnosis and a period of considerable fear, I set about dealing with the cancer in my own way using any type of alternative or integrative therapy that I thought might help.

Despite all my efforts the cancer did progress and by the middle of 2004 I had developed a tumour in my stomach measuring 13cm x 8cm x 4cm.  It was palpable and measured by ultra sound scan.  My stomach protruded as if I was 6 months pregnant and I could feel a strong pulse in my stomach over the tumour.

It was at this time that I was introduced to the Chinese herbs Agrimseng.  The acupuncturist who was treating me had visited a cancer hospital in China and had learned of a combination of Chinese herbs that had been developed specifically to treat cancer.  He asked me if I would be willing to try the herbs Agrimseng and I agreed, as I felt I had nothing to loose and much to gain.  I was convinced the herbs were well researched and were completely safe with a great deal of ancient Chinese herbal knowledge behind them. As the herbs were gifted to me, part of the agreement to use them was that I would have ultra sound scans each six months to track the progress of the tumour.

By the end of 2004 at the same time that I started taking the herb Agrimseng I also began my training to become a qualified Mindbody Psychotherapist in Core Energetics, Australia.

Over the next few months I started to feel better.  My energy levels increased and I somehow felt more positive in myself.  My stomach began to feel more settled and seemed not to protrude quite as much.  They were subtle changes.  The scans were not showing much at first, although the depth of the tumour didn’t seem to be so easy to pick up and the radiologists stopped reporting that particular measurement.

One radiologist, who knew I had had no traditional treatment, became concerned when she couldn’t find a tumour of the size previously recorded.  She thought she had made a mistake.  But I already knew by this time that the tumour was reducing.

In the final session with the Oncologist in May 2006 he could find no palpable tumour, my stomach had returned to normal size and I was feeling very well. My spleen size which had been significantly increased had also returned to normal.

By June 2007, six years after diagnosis and at a time when the cancer would be expected to be spreading there is no sign of the tumour and I am fit and healthy.  I believe that my return to good health was brought about by the use of the Agrimseng Herbs combined with extensive psychotherapy, in particular Mindbody psychotherapy, Both the Agrimseng herbs and the Mindbody psychotherapy work with the emotional body, and I believe it is at this level that we need to truly heal ourselves.

Jacqui Hunt

For more information, please go to: www.ahrc.co.nz or ph: 0064 9 4788968

Mark

7/15/2008 2:38:14 PM #

Jonathan Does

The only despicable thing I can see is drug companies profiting from peoples health in such a cynical and repeated process, but what is even more despicable is men like you providing cover for them. Cedars Sinai is proof alone that we cannot trust so called professionals anymore.

Jonathan Does

8/19/2008 2:55:34 PM #

Ronnie McDonnie

Your laughter about 'the treatment was a success but the patient died' is, itself, laughable when you consider this is what happens to the majority of patients in cancer treatment today, including yours. So now give a big hee-haw to yourself. I hope you will do it here, for all to see.

Ronnie McDonnie

8/21/2008 4:03:15 PM #

James Carlson

This article was written a year and a half ago.  Are you aware of any clinical trials that have come about since then and now?  What is your opinion of DCA now?

James Carlson

8/26/2008 1:10:17 AM #

Kelley33

I am doing a report in class on cancer and I'm trying to get all my questions answered but I'm having a hard time finding my questions that I need answered. Could you please point me in the right direction? my questions are how was cancer first discovered? How did cancer get it's name? who was the first expert to diagnose,treat and control cancer? I'll keep trying but if you could help it would be greatly appreciated

Kelley33

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11/21/2008 3:04:33 PM #

Miles

Hey doc, as an entry level anatomy student, I find it hard to believe that after ALL THIS TIME, MONEY, AND EFFORT, science has failed to produce a cure for cancer. No oxygen-fermentation. No excercise-lactic acid. Cancer cells-anaerobic. just with these three connections, I am positive that my generation, after we've gained the knowledge that you have, will EASILY be able to offer a CHEAP cure for everyone's cancer. Your ABC statement is spotty, academic and strained. It just smells like a cover up. My question to you is, if the masses understood what science understands, would we all be living longer? and if so, isn't every scientist who holds back a piece of knowledge killing those who need it?

Miles

12/10/2008 5:26:58 PM #

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12/11/2008 3:33:45 PM #

Laurine Kress

Dr. Dr. Litchtenfeld,

As a DCA experimentor, I have now gone from a stage IV cancer patient with not much hope on 5/1/2008 and a CEA number of 185.7.  Evidence of lymph node activity (8/60), liver mets, and tumors in the tissue surrounding the tummy have not all been cleared as of the latest PET scan - no evidence of any further mets and the latest CEA of 4.1 as of yesterday, 12-11-08.  I took DCA two weeks prior to beginning the chemo treatment for adenocarcinoma of the colon during my healing following the colon resection performed on 5/4/08.

My results are evidence that DCA does, in fact, provide a healing result from cancer in humans.  After all, if it is safe enough for children, I felt I had nothing to lose.  As far as I believe, there is no down side to the treatment with DCA.  On the other hand, the side effects of chemo were intolerable on some occasions.

Please get this treatment to the public through oncologists, MDs, etc. for all patients who are willing to try.  After all, the drug is already FDA approved.  The costs compared to Chemo ($6-$10,000) per treatment and the DCA runs $35.00 per order which is about the cost of aspirin???   Is the cancer cure to be stopped because of money?  or... are we truly americans concerned with the welfare of others?

Please pressure the media and oconologists to allow the presription process t o begin to save other lives.

Remember there really is no down side to taking DCA - I did it and others should be able to try it.

Thanks for your help.

Laurine Kress

1/18/2009 2:23:48 AM #

robert mitchell

The DCA used in the human clinical trials was NOT dichloroacetic acid, which you performed the pubmed search on and found to be toxic.  Rather, the DCA used was sodium-dichloroacetate, which is made by combining the acid you researched with a buffer.  They are totally different compounds.  Regarding the lactic acidosis study, as you state, DCA reduced the acidosis but did not cure the underlying disease.  So what!  The bulk of your argument is not only flawed, but presents an argument for no reason.  DCA should be evaluated and allowed to stand on it's own performance.  The ACS should get out of the way.

robert mitchell

4/8/2009 5:01:18 PM #

piper

I've come to believe that, local politics are just a microcosm of the whole. With that, there is a real corrupt incentive to hold back cures, including the American Cancer Society. Most breakthroughs were found by accident. There are people today, who have taken charge of their own treatment and are using DCA. The results are nothing short of a miracle. Doctors can be some of the most institutionalized Stepford wives and, seem to talk to you as if it was scripted. These people have NOTHING to gain. The drug is cheep and readily available on the net. So called experts balk at this drug stating it can cause cancer. SO CAN RADIATION AND OFTEN DOES. My mom was just diagnosed with NHL and we are on her to keep an open mind and NOT to take these robots word as gospel. Remember the movie "lorenzo's Oil"? what they went through even from the organization that was supposed to help them? They were almost burned at the stake for heresy. Anyway, to heck with them. take charge of your own health and be careful. These organizations are part of the new world order and make their money by keeping this a mystery.
check out thedcasite.com. These are the real heroes.

piper

4/27/2009 12:15:17 PM #

John Gilbert

It's the salt of dichloroacetic acid  dichloroacetate such as sodium dichloroacetate and potassium dichloroacetate that is being looked into.

John Gilbert

5/16/2009 2:29:32 AM #

ME

dr. len i read your article and it was very very enlightening, except for one HUGE point; dichloroacetic acid is NOT DCA!!! i would hope someone doing such intensive research on it would recognize this...

at first i was drawn into the fact that your arguments against dca were based on at least semi-sourced clearly stated claims. your main argument was that dca, something that fights cancer...may CAUSE cancer. a very condemning argument indeed. so as i decided to check your claims for myself i found that you were absolutely right in one respect; dichloroacetic acid holds up to your claims. HOWEVER.....dichloroacetic acid is NOT DCA!!!! that kind of puts a monkey wrench in your argument i would say. DCA is sodium dichloroacetate. they are NOT the same thing and history has shown us that acid based formulas are not conducive to CURE anything. i would respectfully request that you fix this error after you have confirmed that indeed you have accused DCA of being something it isnt...
a failure to do so would be a poor reflection on your part as well as spreading misinformation (intentional or unintentional) of a medical nature might pose some serious ethical violations im sure.

ME

5/16/2009 2:32:39 AM #

me

dr. len i read your article and it was very very enlightening, except for one HUGE point; dichloroacetic acid is NOT DCA!!! i would hope someone doing such intensive research on it would recognize this...

at first i was drawn into the fact that your arguments against dca were based on at least semi-sourced clearly stated claims. your main argument was that dca, something that fights cancer...may CAUSE cancer. a very condemning argument indeed. so as i decided to check your claims for myself i found that you were absolutely right in one respect; dichloroacetic acid holds up to your claims. HOWEVER.....dichloroacetic acid is NOT DCA!!!! that kind of puts a monkey wrench in your argument i would say. DCA is sodium dichloroacetate. they are NOT the same thing and history has shown us that acid based formulas are not conducive to CURE anything. i would respectfully request that you fix this error after you have confirmed that indeed you have accused DCA of being something it isnt...
a failure to do so would be a poor reflection on your part as well as spreading misinformation (intentional or unintentional) of a medical nature might pose some serious ethical violations im sure.

me

7/10/2009 11:53:46 AM #

Jeffrey Lindberg

Dear Dr. Lictenfield,

It is 2009 and I am just now reading your comments on DCA.  I find some of your comments disturbing at the very least.

First of all, you mention nothing that is was the ACETATE form of DCA which was the acknowledged substance of DCA and rendered it "safe" according to the report I read.  To omit this on YOUR part explains just who's side you are on.  You use the word "despicable" in your obvious dissemination of part truths here.  May I suggest you used the word really as "projection" of what you have to do to maintain your income, sir.

Jeffrey Lindberg

8/25/2009 7:37:33 PM #

Jes

As a molecular and systems biologist at a prominent university, I would like to state briefly (as I have very little time to deal with this site) that much of the argument presented here by Dr. Lictenfeld is extremely poorly thought out and misguided, and I would dissuade anyone from  taking this line of reasoning too seriously.  Being a byproduct of a cancer-inducing molecule has no relevance whatsoever, especially since this tiny chemical is a byproduct of a great number of reactions with a variety of chemicals  even existent in our tap water.  Additionally, its safe use for many years in humans is of course highly supportive of its efficacy in comparison to present cancer treatments; and i must say the mechanisms of action of this chemical make it a far more logical treatment for tumors than any vitamin to date.

Jes

10/22/2009 3:02:47 PM #

David Payne

I have stage 4 colon cancer. tumor and 1' of colon and 8" small intestine removed. 11 treatments of chemo. with resultant nerve damage. 2 mo. without treatment and an average of 4.2 ECA. took DCA 2 wk everyother day and went to 2.1 ECA. after 4 mo. decided that nerve damage has got as good as I am going to see. I am  back on DCA and see what the results are in another 2 wk.

David Payne

9/9/2010 6:17:55 PM #

mary long

Can somebody please tell me where I can find a free place to get my daughter a mammogram. She does not have inc. and cant't get any. She has a big lump on her breast and I am so scared for her.

mary long

9/9/2010 6:22:19 PM #

drlen

Mary, call our cancer information center at 800 ACS 2345 (800 227 2345) and they will help you out.  If your daughter has no income, she may qualify for a nationwide screening program that will provide her with mammography services and follow-up care.  In addition, there are federally qualified health centers around the country where she can get care with fees "indexed" to her circumstances.  There may be one near where your daughter lives.

Len

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4/5/2012 3:03:35 PM #

John Wilkinson

The Big C. One of the most prominent if not the most prominent natural cause of death. Shouldn't this be at the top of the list of things to study? Shouldn't we get it over-the-counter if it doesn't harm healthy cells? People die every day from this through simple lack of understanding which we can easily get.

John

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J. Leonard Lichtenfeld, MD, MACP - Dr. Lichtenfeld is Deputy Chief Medical Officer for the national office of the American Cancer Society.

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